Installing A Reditile Barrier Free Shower Pan

“Curbless Showers” AKA “Barrier Free Showers” or “Zero Entry Showers” or “Freedom Showers”, are a hot topic in Idaho right now. It all started when the Idaho association of building officials realized that every municipality is handling them differently. Some allow curbless showers and others forbid them. I have written about them in the past here, but have not put the problem to bed yet.

Redi Base shower pan installation. Alternate Roll-in Shower. Shower Compartment. 2010 ADA Standards for Accessible Design Pocket Guide (2) 608.2.2 Standard Roll-In Type Shower Compartments. 608.2.3 Alternate Roll-In Type Shower Compartments. 1991 ADA Standards for Accessible Design (2) 9.1.2 Accessible Units, Sleeping Rooms,.

I was the first to become a UDCP (Universal Design Certified Professional) in Idaho. Having no threshold at the entry of a shower is a huge universal design, AKA “aging in place” feature.

Installing A Reditile Barrier Free Shower Pan

I have had a long running battle with one building inspector. He fails my curbless showers every time, but on appeal, his boss will overrule it and voilà. Rather than buck the system forever, I decided to be on the leading edge of the local barrier free shower revolution.

  • The installation time for Tile Redi ® shower pans is 30 minutes or less, and therefore dramatically reduces the cycle time for installing shower pans, and reduces the time, money and labor associated with the installation of an upscale tile, marble, or stone shower. You can also rest easy knowing you have the best leak proof mold free shower.
  • A Freedom Accessible Shower Pan™ transforms your residential bathroom into a safe and comfortable bathing area for the whole family. Installing a shower with a barrier free shower floor allows roll in handicapped accessibility as wheelchair users can roll into the shower safely and easily.
  • We had a barrier free shower installed about a year ago with a redi-tile shower pan with the trench style drain. I guess it has settled or something but the water doesn’t run off on the right side. Is there any sort of insert that would build up the slope? Contractor's Assistant: How long have you been dealing with this shower issue?

Determined to get to the bottom of the problem, I read the plumbers code, (which is not what I am most familiar with). I found an explicit requirement in the 2009 IPC (International code)-(chapter 4 under fixtures and fixture fittings) that says “Showers must have a 2″curb, when measured from the top of the dam to the top of the drain”.

There are exceptions allowing for them in the commercial code for ADA compliance but nothing for residential. This despite the fact that many remodelers like myself have been installing them in The Treasure Valley for years.

Trench drain

According to John Nielsen the state plumbing Program Manager, (State of Idaho Division of Building Safety) there has been a lot of attention to the regulation because remodelers are being asked to install them as new cool products like trench drains when they hit the market.

It appears that the code is not keeping up with the consumer demand. Since it is such a controversial subject, I invited John to our monthly NARI (National Association of the Remodelers Industry) meeting to discuss what is happening right now.

Turns out, we are in the middle of a fact finding period with a sunset clause to allow barrier free showers under specific rules for the next six months then reevaluate.

Adding Curbless Showers to an existing home is tricky

To create a barrier free shower we have to lower the floor. It is fairly easy on older homes on the first floor. Upstairs poses a huge problem. With newer homes built with ’s (Trus Joist I- joist), it is next to impossible (unless the curb is at the entrance and the slope goes up from there). I love this idea and there is a great article link at the bottom of the article to JLC that describes how to do it. (this will also make getting code compliance easier because the trench drain is at the opening of the shower!

There are new products that simulate barrier free lowered but we have not used one yet. Curbless is easy in an addition because we can set up for one from the start. We have also done several “Slab on Grade” Curbless shower installations that work just fine.

The loophole

Remodelers have been getting away with curbless by adding a rubber curb or what have you for the inspection then removing it when the inspection is done. This is not a legitimate solution .

The age old reason to install them from a remodeler’s perspective

  1. If a shower is going to overflow it is going to do it if there is a curb or not.
  2. Universal Design and Aging in Place both preach of the virtues of barrier free showers.

Another twist

It is the tile setters and framers that make the curbless showers not the plumbers and they are not held to the plumbing code. Rarely do the plumbers and the tile setters see each other or communicate. It is always the General Contractors responsibility to work it out.

The rationale behind the code

My first impression was that since shower heads are restricted to 2.5 GPM (Gallons Per Minute) it would take a very long shower to overflow a shower. Additionally, while wearing my flood repair guy hat, I could not recall ever responding to a shower back up caused flood. That is when John explained why the residential curb code was written.

“If something is going to back up when a blockage occurs, it is going to be the lowest point. Ergo, if your main line backs up it is going to bubble up in the shower first.” nobody wants to deal with that.

Without a curb it is going to flood sooner than it would with a curb. World chief instal for free. Point well taken but a weak argument.

The new proposed rules

The new (Forever For Now) rule is:

  1. There needs to be a one quarter inch per foot drop from the flat part of the floor to the drain.
  2. There needs to be at least two inches from the flat floor to the drain.

This brought up all sorts of discussion and absolutely needs further refinement. The proposed rule would require the drain to be four feet from the flat floor, which is not always possible. Frustration was erupting from all over the room.

Then there was the problem that often the trench drain can be put at the entrance to the shower and the grade goes up from there. Further discussion allows us to “take the measurement from flat floor to the bottom of the trench drain rather than the weep holes of the flush grate.”

We all agreed that the real problem is that “mud-set tile showers”, at least in Boise Idaho do not currently require plumbers to do a “flood test”, which will ultimately require another work around.

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Levco’s curbless shower solution

At Levco we believe that as long as there is a “1/4 inch per foot drop from the flat to the drain”, our shower should pass code. A buyer beware statement should accompany every barrier free shower explaining the benefits and risks of a curbless shower and once acknowledged with a signature we are happy to proceed with the project.

Here is a link to a few articles that support the use of trench drains

Barrier Free Shower Base

An oldie from NC state university

Journal of Light Construction JLC has also published several articles on the subject. Most recently April of 2015 and September of 2015 (you’ll need to sign up to read them)

Bonus Round Questions?

  1. Who can tell me a story about a great curbless shower installation?
  2. Is there some other trick you know about curbless showers?

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